Why don't I need to specify the unordered list after the class e.g. .contact-info ul{ in first step of this challenge?

Hi Clinton,

The challenge instructions state "Select the unordered list with the class contact-info..." So the ul is with the class "contact-info". They're together.

That's describing html that looks like this:

<ul class="contact-info">
</ul>

You could select that ul with the class name by itself, .contact-info, or you could type qualify the selector and put ul in front like this, ul.contact-info That means, "select a ul with a class of contact-info"

The selector that you tried, .contact-info ul is a descendant selector. That's saying, "select a ul that is within another element that has a class of contact-info"

The html for that might look like this:

<div class="contact-info">
  <ul>
  </ul>
</div>

Here you can see that the ul has an ancestor with a class of "contact-info"

because the class is the ul, so if you use the class and the ul your pretty much saying ul ul, which is redundant.

The only reason you would use

.contact-info ul {}

is if the contact-info class was actually being applied to a parent element. As Devin stated, since the class is applied to the actual ul element, then it is redundant to call both the class and the element in the selector.

Thanks Jason, Devin and Shawn for the very speedy and clear explanations. It really clarifies it for me and now makes complete sense why you wouldn't use ul. thanks again :-)